those pinshields make your glass greasy.
(kid)
Quoted from dmacy:Just wanted to shout out Victor. Haven’t had a need for a board from him for a bit but always hate having to hide them behind a translite.
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Can’t wait to get my Addams board set for my scratch build.
Oh whoops!! Completely missed that. Will rework that tomorrow - thank you Victor!!
I'm aware of the general differences between TTL/CMOS (Presume thats whats being referred to here), however thought i had gotten it right... Will drop a PM as now interested in what ive screwed up
PIA Tester arrived. Interestingly 2/20 PIA's failed. Only goes to show you cant be too careful nowadays!
Quoted from toibs:Oh whoops!! Completely missed that. Will rework that tomorrow - thank you Victor!!
I'm aware of the general differences between TTL/CMOS (Presume thats whats being referred to here), however thought i had gotten it right... Will drop a PM as now interested in what ive screwed up
PIA Tester arrived. Interestingly 2/20 PIA's failed. Only goes to show you cant be too careful nowadays!
You need to test every PIA and every processor. Should test all RAM too. As far as sourcing IC's try to buy from reputable places. There are lots of fakes, seconds, and remarked chips out there. In the vintage computer groups people have bought what they thought were TTL chips but they ended up being relabeled CMOS chips. A friend bought a bunch of supposedly 6532 chips but they all failed those tests and were actually relabeled 6522 chips!
Remarked chips are common now and some may be what they say they are. But you have to test them. Can no longer make any assumptions that a "new" chip is ok.
Bloody brilliant mate (the United box), not a gold watch but still an extremely impressive achievement imo.
Thanks for sharing.
Oh, and the boards, yeah, their ok.
Matt.
Check it out...Aux-8 Driver Board Tester...
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Quoted from MiniPinHead:What percentage of those 1M miles was sitting in a window seat?
I have always been a window seat person. It's the only way to capture images from the air.
Quoted from dmacy:always hate having to hide them behind a translite.
One subtle change I made on the WPC-95 CPU board is the LEDs were moved from the bottom left to the top left of the board (much like how they are placed in the WPC-89 CPU board). I always found it annoying that I couldn't see the LED status on W95 without lowering the speaker panel. Lowering the speaker panel meant I couldn't see the display. With the LEDs relocated in W95, I can see the LEDs without lowering the speaker panel. It's the little things that make the difference. Anyone with the knowledge/experience can reproduce the board, but a reproduction is an opportunity to improve things in small or sometimes big ways.
Quoted from twinmice:Can’t wait to get my Addams board set for my scratch build.
I have a full backbox board set queued for this month that I will be starting shortly. Since your request is similar, I will build both at the same time since it is more efficient to build multiples concurrently. I have to temper my time with commitments to the local Northwest Pinball and Arcade Show which has planning and events in the months leading up to it (as well as having to prepare my own machines for the show) so this time of the year I am a little busier than normal.
But not busy enough to keep away from small little things that are done opportunistically.
Quoted from slochar:did those rom adapter boards for system 11 ever come out of prototype to put a single 512 in place of the 128/256 u26/u27 combo? I'd be in for a few if so....
Quoted from DumbAss:I created a schematic to do this and it should work. I'll add it to the next (pending) fabrication order I make.
Of course, attempt #1 didn't work. I should know that nothing ever works on the first try. I had to postulate reasons why it didn't work. There was some interesting behavior exhibited. It didn't crash but it didn't work.
So I went back to the drawing board and tried a completely different implementation for attempt #2. I had those made in green (demoted the project to prototype) and added a bunch of different options to help differentiate a postulation of the reason why it failed.
The red board failed. The green board works. A single 27512 containing the image of the 27128 (U26) and 27256 (U27). I haven't figured out whether to keep it THT or go with SMT on the logic ICs to keep things tidier (smaller). What you can't see on the green board is the 2x SMT 103Z bypass capacitors on the back of the board.
@slochar: Since I doubt there's much demand for something like this, if you want a green proto board, I can make it available to you. If you want a quantity of these then I may not be able to meet the requirement - depending on the quantity.
The small board above is a 5101 adapter. I made one of these with a 7400 SMT on the solder side of the board. I revised the design to use two small single gate SMT components on the component side. This keeps everything on one side of the board. I haven't tested this because I don't have a WMS3-7 machine or OEM board set that uses a 5101.
My attempt on perf board failed as well. I would be in for up to ten of these for current and future needs but I would take any... Lmk. Also I could test the 5101 RAM as well I have lots of bally and Williams machines that take those.
Another independent testing device designed by our friend Victory.
This one provides the ability to test WPC FlipTronics I and II boards outside of a game. While I can do the same on my bench, this device makes the job much much easier. Without this device or without a bench, I can't image testing a FlipTronics board while in a game. I'm glad those days are behind me.
Enjoy...this was my first use of the tester...I was "discovering" how to use it along the way...kind of fun...
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Quoted from dmacy:In Dumbass we trust! Just got my brackets back to rivet. Realized it looks like a good opportunity to show the huge improvements on his opto boards. Seeing the IJ thread where people are defending RD stuff makes me sad. They’re clueless.
FWIW, this is for my personal MM.
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I built that same board from Victor and it is fantastic. It has helped me several times with knowing where the fault lies (always the optos).
DSCF3080 (resized).JPGAnother small update. I still have a build queue a mile long and this is the busy time of the year for me. Local show preparation is what consumes my time. I have a local repair party coming up in a few weeks and there's another show planning meeting coming up. Then there's yard work. Keeps me busy.
I did have (leftover) time to get some things tested and verified.
This is the revised board. I revised the logic again to use a single SOIC-14 gate IC. It works. The single IC will reduce cost (not by much) and make assembly a little easier but since it's SMT servicing will be a little more difficult. The IC should not fail so it's unlikely to ever need servicing.
The other day I went to help a (good) friend with resolve an issue with a MMr. I did a little research on the driver board and saw an IC I was unfamiliar with. I looked it up. Looked interesting. So I made a test board to see how it works. I re-implemented the master double alphanumeric logic to use this new IC. It incorporates brightness adjust. That's the potentiometer that you see on the board. I used those super close pitch (0.65mm) TSSOP SMT ICs to reduce board size. What you see there is the guts of the display logic. There are some ICs on the back of the board as well and the boards are connected with ribbon cables. I implemented it this way to modularize it into "units" so that if I needed to revise something I could do it independently of any other subsystem.
Quoted from slochar:I would be in for up to ten of these for current and future needs but I would take any... Lmk.
I'm happy with this implementation. The board is the bare minimum. Contact me if you're interested. I have your desired quantity available.
Quoted from slochar:Also I could test the 5101 RAM as well I have lots of bally and Williams machines that take those.
Someone local to me tested the 5101 and it works as well. Thanks for the offer.
Hi all,
Quick question - only because i have been searching for a while and cant find any reference to it (and dont have the board to hand).
Sys11 CPU board - Battery connector IJ200 - 4 pin connector for battery connection. Which pins go to which on an external battery box please (Cant see any markings on the pics i took of the board)...
Thanks!
I have a part number question for building up the test boards.
Since the Molex .100 spaced breakaway headers that were ideal for these boards are now obsolete, is there a preferred alternative? Molex has a non-breakaway part that looks like it could be cut into pieces. TE/AMP seems to also have a latching header of a similar style.
I will continue to do my homework, but I was curious to see if I could narrow the field a bit. I thought others might be puzzling this out as well.
Thanks,
Dave
Quoted from toibs:Sys11 CPU board - Battery connector IJ200 - 4 pin connector for battery connection. Which pins go to which on an external battery box please (Cant see any markings on the pics i took of the board)...
toibs undoubtedly, one or more of the pins of IJ200 will connect to the board perimeter ground plane. That is the negative (black) wire connection.
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Quoted from dgAmpGuy:Since the Molex .100 spaced breakaway headers that were ideal for these boards are now obsolete, is there a preferred alternative? Molex has a non-breakaway part that looks like it could be cut into pieces. TE/AMP seems to also have a latching header of a similar style.
dgAmpGuy I might not understand, but do you mean these .100 breakaway headers?
These can also sub for the dual row headers; just clip two the same length. I do this frequently.
https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/22-28-4361?qs=P7cO%252B%252BFDLzS4EUTP6cddFw%3D%3D
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