As with most "rare" man-made things, "rare" pinball machines are rare for a reason...nobody bought them, or they weren't deemed worthy to make it to mass-production. Most truly "rare" games are stinkers.

And I'm not knocking any of the games you listed, I really like most of them. The point I'm making is that at today's prices of manufacturing, and especially considering where technology in games has evolved to, I just can't picture there being a demand of more than 25-50 copies of any of them, even at say, 6k.

Would YOU buy a 6k Tag Team? A 6k Joker Poker? Maybe, but I'm guessing most people wouldn't.

The profit just isn't there for the potential manufacturer, and short of some small cottage type, no manufacturer is going to tool-up to make 25 games.

No the point needs to be about making money and any company who decides to remake games like Tag Team or Operation Thunder is going tits up quicker than you can say "Hey what happened to your bullshit plan to make a brand new pinball machine for your nephew in 2 weeks?"

Are you that dense. Go back to my original posting on the matter and actually use actual reading skills.

If people are complaining about rule sets and bad engineering remakes would a chance to correct those mistakes, no?

no

I could see maybe Black Hole getting a re-release but anything else in the Gottlieb solid state catalog a tough hill to climb. BH is iconic and very little in the playfield hardware excessively unique.

Haunted house has more unique parts and third playfield going to really add to the BOM.

I have one that arrived DOA. It works now and my 14yo daughter loves it. It won't be staying past summer. The thing is huge. Wider than a Williams Superpin, longer too. Really well engineered. I think there are enough out there that pop up from time to time to satisfy any demand. I could be wrong though.

Man you people have your heads deep in Williams/bally so far Williams can't do wrong.

Go freaking touch a gottlieb it wont bite. You complain so much about gottlieb but won't fix it says so much about it.

Pinside 50 years later

"Ohhhh look at this XX year edition of TZ."

you people are so broken on it, Stern could wave a 50th anniversary edition of Elvira and you people will just ask how much and pay for it.

and use 9.4H as the code base to start from.

I have owned three so for the moment agree. The pool of available older pins is drying up over time though so the dynamic could change.

Pedretti?

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I'll take TZ for $500 Alex.

I have been "on the list" for one of these for a while.... But I have a Really nice OG... Big question is do I need a remake and have 2 for a while lol.

I think TZ is too adventurous for a first pin for Pedretti. I would bet that CGC has TZ and Pedretti will release WH20 or TOM. Considering what's his nutz came up with WW2.0 and Pedrettis reportedly using the same boards - just makes sense to do so. 2 games in 1 for their first release? Makes sense.
And looking at resale value of what CGC has released, safe to say TZ would at the worst would retain it's value. Buy new, play the hell out of it and when the production run ends you can turn around and flip at a minimum for what you paid for it? That's a good deal.

Please be Funhouse

I’m on the record as saying that’ll be first. Quickly followed by Whirlwind. They’ve already converted most of the code over to Fast, and they’ve been pretty quiet in terms of updates to the 2.0 code lately. I suspect the first pins will be remakes of FH & WW with 1.0 & 2.0 code installed, auto-launchers, etc.

And I'll take both of them thank you.

A CGC TZ with selectable original or new 2.0 code and updated led lighting would be AWESOME !

Sure you can ! Sadly don't want to guess a date when this will happen..

Really want Chicago Gaming to get them out quickly, but looking at historical track records....

Regardless, the games look Great!!

No matter how much I may want a TZ remake, CGC is so painfully slow. I don’t have the patience for them, and they don’t care about changing that.

I will never buy another CGC game new, then wait a year and a half for them to build it (CCR) What’s wrong with that company!?!?!?!?

And they call Spooky a boutique pinball manufacturer...
I fully agree with you , just terrible customer service approach.
Perhaps they should ask for a $1 for deposit on their games at least that way you have not much to lose and then they can build them as slow as they want .

Couldn't agree more. They are almost 2.5 years into CCR and they still haven't delivered all the LE games, and started building PF so clearly they could give two shits about customers. Yes they make quality games, but their customer communication and manufacturing is by far the worst in the industry. This coming from someone whose owned all their past LE releases.

Not to alter the course of this thread, but it sure looks like Pedrettis first release will be Funhouse so TZ likely CGC. I missed the signs. I already own a FH and one day I was bored and perused eBay and saw a brand new Rudy jaw. Well, next I found uncolored ready head pieces. And then I found Rudys jaw motor. I even looked at Planetary Pinballs site to see if they had these parts listed and they did amongst other MIA FH parts. All the signs were there and this was before the Pedretti announcement. Derp - yeah, if I were a betting man it's FH. They've been making parts for this release for almost a year now not to mention it just makes sense to capitalize "more" on what Pedrettis already done - FH 2.0.
PURE speculation of course.
Standard - stock reproduction (using FAST boards of course) $6500
PE - FH and FH 2.0 $7500
LE - FH, FH 2.0, powder coated and custom topper $8500

I just hope Pedretti scraps their FH voice call outs and do something better. Sorry Pedretti but it's just tragically horrible.

I agree with you. I waited a year and a half for Halloween. I was one of the last numbers. With CGC and Spooky you just have to know it might be a long wait. But they aren't ever going to shut down on you, or not deliver. Eventually. Lol.

For the record, the CGC pre-order owners would love to have *only* a year and a half wait to get to the last of the orders.

Some of the CGC pre-orders were almost as long to get to the some of the *first* numbers.

Well CCRLE owners have been waiting 2.5 years and CGC still isn't finished.

if Twilight Zone does happen, I'm ok with a long wait just as long as I only have to give a deposit and pay balance when ready. I reached out to a distributor in January of last year and I'm first on the list.

I think many wouldn't care when they get the game if they didnt require u to put down a $1k deposit. Unfortunately thats not the pinball reality.

I have doubts we will see Twilightzone but if we do I don’t mind a 1k deposit since they are a proven company. just 1k less i have to pay 2 years later lol.

They have two production lines running now. One line is finishing up CCr and the other is doing Pulp Fiction. They haven't stopped CCr production to make PF. Once the CCr's are done, they will be doing another run of MMr. After that, who knows? (though TZr would be nice...)

Are you sure? There are indeed two production lines but i understood there weren’t enough workers to staff both simultaneously.

This would explain the slow down of CCRLE deliveries and the uptick in PF deliveries. I have no idea if they have two lines or not, nor what their staffing levels are, but its kinda BS that they don't finish CCR prior to PF deliveries. That being said they might be under some sort of contractual requirement due to all their historical manufacturing problems.

Well, that's what they told me at TPF - but no, I haven't seen the lines running myself.
If they have a staffing problem, they (understandably) didn't mention it to me.

You are assuming that they are making a choice to not deliver the CCrLE machines. Maybe they are still only getting the wood apron parts in slowly. There could be several reasons why CCr deliveries are slow (other than "we just decided to make PF instead").

Of course, some sort of info from CGC on this would be beneficial.
Slow deliveries is a problem, slow deliveries with no explanation is a bigger problem.

Who knows with CGC? I mean they've only had 2.5 years to get parts

When does CGC generally announce?

More like when will they deliver ? After they announce!

A few years before the games start shipping

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I haven’t laughed so hard in a month. That is terrific. Wish it wasn’t true.

Absolutely. They make a great game. I can handle the wait. And if I can be front of the line for $500 I'll do that all day long.

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Any new updates of who or when this will be announced?