So To sum up:

Stern, virtually no video (Star Wars 6 weeks ago): "another ripoff! What are they hiding?! Same old shit! It sucks! I'm out!!"

TNA, virtually no video: "innovative! Breath of fresh air! The future of pinball! Where do I send my cash?!?!"

Star Wars playfield: "barren, not
Enough toys, cheap looking ripoff!"

TNA playfield: "barren, no toys or ramps, a triumph of simplicity! I love it!!!"

Well played man!

Quoted for truth.

I played SW pro yesterday and it reminded me of those street level games Gottlieb tried in the early 90s. Then it made me think I might want to pick up another Big Hurt.

Don't get wrong, I'm sure Steve Ritchie did the best he could with the allotted budget.

I'll give my honest revue after I get to play TNA as well.

I can't wait for the O-Din Revue.

Tap dance number about how "old man themes suck?"

A slow ballad of regret accompanied only on the piano about the dalliance with Batman?

As long as there's a top hat involved, I'm on board, baby!

(also, Street level games had no ramps and SW has a bunch. And Big Hurt wasn't a street level game. But who's keeping track anyway)

No it wasn't. By today's standards it would be one notch above a SuperLE. Which is what got me thinking....

Completely agree Crazylevi. So for 6 grand you guys can't wait for this simpler game, but 5 grand will get you a Star Wars designed by Steve Ritchie, and it is crazy fast and very challenging. What am I missing?

Awesome! I'll buy your POS Tron LE for a POS price. Since it's the SOS...

Nothing. He's missing rational thought.

Stern has had QC problems, but if you look at their current lineup of pins; MET, AC/DC, GB, AS, SW, it's pretty damn good.

Am I the only one who doesn't seem to be interested in TNA?
I don't see what the big fuss is about...

Haven't you heard? Street level at a premium price is where it's at.

Nope. Me, neither. But I didn't get Whoa Nellie, either.

But it had big Boobs! What else do you need to know ?

That's the TNA that's cool

You look silly when you make that comparison.

Nothing wrong with not liking a game, but when you make silly comparisons as a way to dump on a game it shows your true bias (or your iggnorance for what the game offers?)

Hmm, even if it plays really great, for the price you could pickup Flash Gordon, Black Knight, Eight Ball Deluxe and depending on condition maybe another pin or two. Yeah no thanks. Not interested...

WTF are you talking about? WNBJM was another retro-looking game. Are you trying to say that TNA is NOT supposed to harken back to another period of pinball?

And I look silly without making comparisons. You look silly when you say that.

I don't think it can possibly be anywhere near the game Flash Gordon is, but I will reserve my honest revue for when I play it. Which is what everybody else should do.

Another SOS thread to drain.....

You know it's "review," right?

If you're going to take a jab at someones ignorance, you should at least spell the word correctly.

I just spent a couple of hours on Big Hurt tonight. What a great game. You should absolutely get another

Goes nicely with Shaq Attack!

Dude, WTF.... this post topic sucks. Lately, Every time I read pinside, I feel like I walked into a dirty strip club. At first it may feel great, but later just a bad idea.

Not when yer wearin' a ten gallon hat!

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I'm gonna add some ramps to a Flash and make my own SW. Yee haw !

Nothing good ever happens at a strip club...well, I did play quite a few good games of nine ball--drank way too much beer, spent too much money, ate some terrible food, and had numerous conversations with complete (mostly sketchy) strangers who were my best buddies by the end of the night. For the life of me I can't recall why I went there in the fist place...

My take on it after playing one game at TPF on a early version with no artwork is that the gameplay/timing is impressive and engaging. Sounds were pretty cool. I can see the potential. Thumbs up from me.

I'm not a buyer for home use at $6k, but I will play it on location, and play them at festivals/expos.

Well with o-din it sorta depends. He likes a lot of those classics from the mid 60's.

http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=1262&picno=6234&zoom=1

That is why the post you made that I have quoted below was so funny knowing the definition of the word "revue".

I have revued all the facts and I must say I agree.

Not to jump on you but maybe you will look at this point of view.
Stern has been around a long time,has a huge factory with alot of experienced employees and they are cutting corners and not standing behind their product but coming up with excuses as to not deal with the problems and tell you it's normal and everything will be alright.I don't want sunshine pushed up my a$$.
Spooky..a very small,just getting going good pinball company that is competing with the 800lb gorilla of the industry and taking away customers. How is that happening?
Dedication to the customer. Call Spooky and ask for help and see how fast people maneuver to get you the help you need. Code, Spooky has more dedication hands down! Don't you always see updates to Spooky code?
Stern just said code refinements on their machines may be abandoned at any time. Does that sound like a company that wants your money to get the most value per dollar.

Don't get me wrong,I have Stern games that I love but some problems have popped up that I don't like and stern doesn't care.
So I see Spooky getting my money as I love what they are doing.
My rant is over.
-Mike

I've played both, and both are really great games.

Maybe I am just getting fed up, but it seems like Pinside is overly rant filled these days. More than it ever has been. Some days I just want to drain the site. This thread is a prime reason.

Quoted for truth.

That is to say... I don't really have a horse in the race. Just noticed people getting all rah rah about one team or another and often contradict themselves in doing so. It's all good entertainment though.

I'm just in it for the revues.

It does seem to have moved on from just people posting negative opinions, to people needing to start whole new threads declaring their negative opinions and then it kicking off a whole thing.

Whats the point of this crap thread anyways? You are fed up with a company and instead want to go all in on a pin that's not out yet?

SW is bad but at least you're playing the whole playfield, unlike TNA where you're only either playing the top half or bottom half of the field.

well, except for the pops

Need to bring back the titties. Everybody is way too uptight up in here!

They brought back the titties and nobody bought it (whoa Nellie).

Judging by the last week or so I really think nobody here has any idea what they actually want.

Well that was fun. I like how the makeup is falling apart around his mouth and it doesn't really matter.

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Don't leave kermit.
Here's a few suggestions to improve life on Pinside:
A.) Follow iceman's advice in post #43
B.) Spend more time in the pinball tech area threads. Always good to learn more about repairing/restoring machines.
C.) Don't even open threads that you know are gonna be a whinefest.
D.) Go to a pinball festival/expo for a weekend and hang out with pinball people that actually like pinball.
E.) Do a pinball machine temporary trade with one of your local/regional pinball buddies, so you can spend time playing a machine that you don't know much about yet.
F.) Call the waambulance and post a pic when necessary.
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...is something he's never said to me.

To be fair, he probably has, just without the "don't" part.

Not only are there a lot of rants, but what's really getting old is when people try to start a "unique" thread that's really just part of another thread... but they want people to read their thought, so they start a new thread. Every time I see "Game XYZ - My impression" threads, that's just littering on the main page.

This should be the thought process when starting a new thread.
1) Does this game already have a main discussion thread?
- If yes, post there.
(Problem solved. Main page gets saved for noteworthy topics.)

- If no, seriously check again, there are probably a dozen threads already.
- If really, REALLY no, ok get on with it.

How many of these threads below could've been consolidated? And that's just ONE GAME.
(And this doesn't include the topics under "All", "Code", and "Podcast" categories)

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Yet you're here...and posting.

Yet you're here...and posting...