I guess I'm in on the LE. Wanted an LE, was told sold out so ordered a premium. Just got invoiced for an LE. Pinballs.com usually only invoices if delivery is very near, at least in the past

Oops! Just noticed payment due date is 1/31 so my delivery might be a ways out.

Too bad Icarus was a man. 'Would have much preferred a nice Elviracus.

I was pumped when they announced this title...still am! Can't wait!

I'd also recommend Pinnovator's sub board. You can add a Pinnovator's splitter and run up to 4 games on one sub. Heck, a sub is a must for any pin but especially music themed ones.
I have a Yamaha YST SW 305 powered sub and the cheaper Polk. Honestly the Yamaha is noticably better but the Polk is certainly good enough.

The splitter is #330.018.000 and called PINsmx, about $65.
Pinsub Stern Spike subwoofer kit is #330.041.000 and about $35.

It might be your #4 ball in the ball trough is not registering. Remove all balls then reinsert one at a time. Might be #4 switch alignment or wiring

I bought mine from pinballs.com. They told me about about 4 weeks 2 days ago for my LE. $9500 delivered to NC. I also got an EHOH from them as it was the only place that really had one in stock. This was late September or early October.

Anybody toy with adding a pair of stereo speakers, maybe on stands to the left and right of their pin? Is it worth the effort?

I already have the sub waiting. A must for a music pin. Actually almost any pin.

I would suggest a powered subwoofer. Use Pinnovator's and you can add 3 more pins. This makes a lot of difference, the best mod you can do imo.

The splitter has 3 mini stereo jacks in the front and 1 in the back. The Pinnovator's adapter will neatly convert to mini jacks. You can run up to 4 games on one sub and it sounds great.

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Also, you can adjust the sub volume at the splitter of 3 games.

Pinnovator's uses RCA jacks to the sub so make sure your sub is equipped.

Yes, as far as the sub is concerned. I'm running AS and GB on one sub and no problem. Of course whenever you run 2 or 3 pins at one time your house starts sounding like an arcade.
You can test the sound by running alligator clips to the leads of the large speakers in the pin cab bases and join to a single sub. Run one pin on sub left plug in and one on right sub plug in.

'Just a shout out to others that, like me, who have graciously insisted (apparently) that everyone else get their games before mine is delivered.

The spinner might be an easy fix but it sounds like it's easy to bend it out of whack again . Maybe, like someone suggested, it's hitting too high. Most of us have other machines with spinners and have never had a problem. I expect Stern is working on it.

Just curious, is it possible to raise the spinner arms a bit, maybe a few washers under the mounts? (Forgive me as I haven't received mine and 'have no idea how it's mounted)

If rule card is in spanish just flip it over

Just got notice! Game has shipped.
I can deal with a spinner problem, anybody remember the old cracked cabinet days? Ahh, yes...memories.

Hard to say but if you bend the supports too far the spinner arms might bind in the hole.

Looks like the Stern picture is upside down or at least the sticker is. The real Hindenburg sank by tail first

Mine is in Chesapeake, Va now but won't be here in Corolla
until Tuesday- it's about 2 hours away. Larger truckers usually contract small firms to away areas like Corolla and that might not be but once a week. UPS and FedEx tend to do the whole route and are faster but my game was shipped by a lesser known shipper.

Flippers is reopen for pinball. You don't pay by the game anymore but get a wrist thingy. $5 for one hour, $9 for two
Hours, $15 all day.
Of course I'm retired here so any vacationer's are welcome to stop by.

It's not so much people are bending it once and it's fixed, it's that some had to do this 3 times-that's what really got my attention.

Just got mine! 'So happy I could cry.

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My premium seems to be working fine out of the box. No spinner issues, glass is reasonably snug. I did change game adj. #47 voice to plus 5-Why didn't they get the AFM
"Blast those martians" lady???
Anyway, 'love the rocking music but I could use some strategy tips. When do you change songs and when is it avisable to just play the current song using multiple balls?
I hear "shoot the eject" for the electric thingy, what is the eject?

Thank you Motor City! Your instructions will help

How do you access the equalizer?

Is it LE only?

I love the lights-I think they will be a standard feature on future machines. And of course the music is great! I'm mixed on the EM. I'd like to see it better integrated and maybe award more points, though it just might be me. All in all, a great machine for Zep fans

I'm no computer expert, but I always hit "save" and let the computer do it's thing-took about 30 minutes for me. Then you have a zipped file which you must "extract". You can hit
"Extract all" or do the 3 files one at a time if you can't find the "all". Then you transfer to a formatted drive then to pinball.

One constant with all my Stern's I discovered is when you have to go to the bathroom really, really, bad you are awarded with a lengthy multiball- how do they do that?

I just got my highest score but 'not going to post it because there's not a 65 and older category.(and I suck)
This game is really a keeper, the more I play it the better I like it. The shots and music are satisfying, even more so now that I've progressed to having a general idea of what to do.
New owner's should try to set voice attenuation to +2 to 5 and music to - 10 to 20, that seems to be the sweet spot.

This has been said before but if you can't consistently back hand to the right ramp check your right flipper and see if it is aligned with the little alignment hole. Mine was just slightly too low from the factory. 'Adjusted and this pin ROCKS!..even more.

I want to add though Pinstadiums are expensive you know what they are in advance so you can take it or leave it. Also they support Pinsider and if you have a problem they take care of it-they are a good reputable dealer and an asset to Pinsider. I agree they shouldn't advertise for LZ because the factory light show is so great - kind of like putting hub caps on your mag wheels.

I hope they can make any ball going SDTM from the EM return to the playfield. I've had a good game going then the ball enter from the EM rear then SDTM, end of game. They could change that in coding, seems to already do that in EM multiball.

Mine came out twice. Last time I bent the straight end on the very end so it cannot come out

I just ordered the double guitar / amp mod...and I'm not one to mod anything. The truth is this is probably my favorite pin so why not? I wasn't all that crazy about it at first but after a couple hundred plays you can see where it really shines. First thing, you have to crank up the volume - you can't really do that in an arcade environment. Then you have to learn what to shoot for and how really sweet the shots are. Adjust the right flipper so it makes the right ramp- mine was not set this way from factory and it's such a nice, satisfying shot. Anybody from the 1950-60's will love this machine.

I added a sub before I turned it on for the first time but used Pinnovator's.

Make sure your machine is exactly level right to left. If it's just a little bit off you can get SDTM's from the EM. I still get an occasional SDTM but not nearly as frequently. My LZ is on padded carpet protectors and they must have squished down unevenly.

I bent my gate wire in machine with a 45 degree at the very end. This seems to keep the gate in place.

I had the usual EM spinner problem but it seems to be solved now. There's no need to reverse the spinner as it seems to be symmetrical, that is unless the arms are bent, then you will have sucess installing it backwards. I just bent the arms symmetrical again paying close attention to the little ends sticking through the support arms. They should not show a wobble but be straight. The real fix might be a new spinner with stronger arms.

Can someone tell me what the playfield Zoso, feather,etc lights mean? Just below tour lights.
Thanks!

I'm not one for modding but here's a nice solution to hide the ball gate from Space Coast Pinball. It's about $85. They are very nice people to order from. Before and after.

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This is now officially my favorite pin (EHOH and AFM have been beat out)The shots are oh so sweet, especially 5 and 6 way combos - they are just so fluid. Buy this pin unless you hate Led Zeppelin!

Here's the logo in red, 7 inch from eBay. It's a little large but OK.

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Reinstall then bend the very end that sticks through the hole. I haven't had any more problems

Anybody adding Pinwoofer, you need to place Pyle adapter "fat side in" but the adapter looks symmetrical (it's not) . You want the bigger gap towards the outside of the cabinet as shown. Otherwise you can't close the speaker enclosure properly. Proper and improper installation shown. Wider gap to the outside.

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I don't see where it matters at all. I picked white but you can't see it with the cabinet closed. You CAN just faintly see new speakers.
Everyone should at least get a subwoofer or Pinwoofers for this pin, it makes a huge difference.

You can do that with the LE but 'not sure about the premium.

One thing I DID do with Pinwoofer install is retain the quick disconnects from the old speakers and resolder piggyback to the new. If there's ever an amp problem you can easily switch back to old system speaker driver.

There's a place if you really love GNR. Sadly, this isn't it. Both just might be great games-doesn't have to be one or the other.

I didn't care for the EM at first-it sort of interrupted game play. But with the latest update I now look forward to EM-especially EM frenzy! It's a real point getter and the Boom Boom sounds with a powered sub or Pinwoofer are neat.
As far as the third flipper, it comes in handy sometimes and I might make the ramp 2 out of 10 shots or so. I'm an average player.

I 've had great luck with sticking it back the bending the very end about 45 degrees. No more problems.
On a different matter, I decreased my ball launch power to pretty much make the skill shot every time- 'hits the "D" in LED. If you are a disgusting cheater like me you might want to try it. Only problem is if you get 2 balls in the launch lane at one time there's not enough power to auto launch

Well "their" you go again!

I got my Pinwoofer up a running and want to give my opinion over the powered sub I've had since LZ was new. Dan at Pinwoofer was very nice to correct a problem I had, no fault of his own, and I appreciate his effort-a nice guy to work with that cares about his business.
A powered sub alone is really a necessity for this pin. I'd say it gets you about 65 percent there. It will cost about $130 or so with a Pinnovator's splitter and an inexpensive sub. Well worth the investment.
If you want the extra 35 percent, and it's worth it to me, go with the Pinwoofer. It adds a very crisp sound...better sound in my opinion. As the guys at SDTM said, it's much like having an equalizer to customize the sound as you like.
I'm pleased with the Pinwoofer.

The EM remains up or rises after the end of the game.
Check EM is level with playfield for air balls, I almost never
get air balls with LZ.
I'm not sure about the plastic but normally the 2 hex adaptors will need to be removed from the plastic, attach hex adaptors to playfield using long screws coming up thru playfield, tighten, then add plastic, attach to top of hex adaptors with 2 short screws.

Ditto Space Coast-Great detail and covers an ugly spot.

Double neck.

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https://www.amazon.com/MCIGICM-Speaker-Cable-Connector-Adapter/dp/B07X44HBLW/ref=mp_s_a_1_10

That's a 10 pack but only $5.99

Lock bar lights white for auto plunge and blinks. Will not light with door open

Make sure this plug is snug, center of photo. Pull out white kill switch door actuates to test. Plug is on left cabinet side near coin box.

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I just downloaded. It took me 12 minutes

Gawd! My LZ really, really, rocks! I started with a powered sub- everyone should at least do this. Then I added Pinwoofer which is great but I missed the earth shaking sub (Pinwoofer has no external powered sub) so I soldered the connection to the Pinwoofer system - I've found musical Nirvana! Especially EM frenzy.

I haven't had that problem.

Im very pleased with the Space Coast double neck mod. It covers a rather nasty looking area and the detail of amp and guitar are fantastic.

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The 180 ramps are pretty similar in these 2 games. But LZ blows away Munsters in that there are many more satisfying shots besides just the 180. The center ramp, left ramp, left orbit, left eject are all satisfying.

I had a first build and had problems at first. I haven't had a single problem since the update. Stern should have known about this pre release but it seems the update fixed mine...I hope for good.

Mine gets hung up on the 2 back support rods occasionally. Not sure what you can do about it- good time to grab another beer.

Try "music attenuation" at about -10. It's in the menu

I forgot- you might want to set "speech attenuation" to 5 or so

Here's an option. Amazon about $6.

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I mounted so the wheels are free turning. They turn when ball is kicked to the trough.

My LZ was absolutely horrible out of the box audio wise. I wonder why Stern set it this way. But after a minus 10 on music attenuation and plus 5 on speech is was much better, as someone else has suggested. After that adding a powered sub is a must.

Vibration I guess. They don't seem to want to turn today. Yesterday I'd get about 1/4 turn everytime the ball trough solenoid activated.

I'll pass this along if you're having trouble with the EM spinner. I DID have trouble but this seemed to fix it:
First make sure your game is set at proper slope and level right to left
Remove the spinner and adjust #1 by setting on a flat surface. Flip it over. Distance from the arms should be equal to the surface no matter which side is up.
#2 should be slightly greater than 90 degrees or at the same angle as the spinner holder.
Reattach spinner and adjust #3 so when you spin it it doesn't wobble like you're making an oval snow angel. You can use needle nose pliers. This is the most critical adjustment to have the spinner rest in the upright position and not waste any rotational energy.
Lube and you're done.

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I love my LZ! It's the first pin I turn on in the morning.

If you mean the call outs, set speech attenuation to +4 or 5. It's the next adjustment after "music attinuatuon"

Try setting music to -60 then turn down master volume a little

I really don't know but I haven't seen a separate control for ramps, etc. You might however be able to cut other stuff up (minus attenuation) to make it sound more the way you want .
Personally, I like it loud so I have Pinwoofer and external sub installed. My house shakes during EM frenzy

If you just want higher highs and lower lows, and the ability to adjust the sound like an equalizer amp- just better, crisper sound, consider Pinwoofer. It includes better speakers but a better soundboard as well. It's rather pricey but you get a lot and the ability to fine tune your pin.

I think one thing people forget is how important a free area
is. I had a pin jam packed with shit but it just sat there unplayed so I sold it (though it was rated highly) Are 3 mini playfield really better that 2?. Are 5 multiballs better than 3?. I find pins from this manufacturer just jam packed yet I find myself playing Stern or Chicago gaming.

My spinner bent again but just a little. It was still hanging correctly. But the EM was raising and lowering at will. The problem shows up in a switch test, a too sensitive spinner. I fixed it but Stern really needs to send all owners a beefed up spinner and maybe a drill bit to enlarge the spinner arm holders.
Well, I have to amnend this post. EM has gone back to it's raising and lowering again. 'Contacting Stern.
I put it in switch test and nothing showed but when I shoved machine EM opto activated. So I stuck my finger thru spinner so white side up and pulled towards ceiling to bend arms a bit more. This seemed to fix for now.

Try playing 2 player games. The spinner should pretty much always go down between the 2 players. If it seems to stay up too much or go up and down a lot put pin in switch test mode and check for a too sensitive EM spinner opto. Manually spin the EM spinner to make sure it is not activating at rest. Also bump the game while in test mode to see if that sets it off. If it's too sensitive remove the spinner and bend the arms slightly so at rest the spinner is a bit closer to the flippers- we're only talking a few mm.

Put it in switch test mode, pull out white safety lock out button on access door, then shake machine.

I used 2 pair of pliers and bent the gate end in place. One pair of needle nose to bend the very end 45 degrees and one pair to counteract gravity, to push the end through the hole so you can grab it. I haven't had any more problems with the gate.

Oops? I just saw someone else posted this, sorry!

A shaker presents special problems that a nudge might not reveal. Try putting in test mode then take the soft handle end of a hammer and tap around the playfield. Especially near the pop bumpers

This is a really great game, make no mistake about that. But sooner or later all of us will experience the bent spinner. Not that the spinner is of bad design but it can't handle the playfield severe bashing position. Stern needs to beef up the spinner and send us a replacement.

Your best bang for the buck will be a powered sub - there's enough factory amplifier to drive a sub but I think a powered sub sounds noticibly better. A change in back box speakers is nice but it doesn't blow you away in sound difference.

Shooter rod looks like a camera.

Just a big thanks! To those that gave a heads up about the ZEP drop target rubber. I checked mine and it's 1/2 worn thru after about 2 months HUO. I ordered 4 more 1 3/4 in from Titan. You CAN get more use if, while you have the glass off, rotate the rubber so the wear spot is towards the pop. But thanks again, as it saves me down time waiting on rubber rings.

I've found the EM opto seems to read from the top of the spinner. It will work better if you bend the arms so at rest it is perpendicular to the playfield, not hanging like a pendulum. The more the top of the spinner leans into the EM the touchier it will be and you'll notice the EM seem to raise and lower at random.

Get a voltmeter, set it to Ohms, and test the switch. If the switch is good and actuator bent correctly follow the two leads to see if they are touching together somewhere.

I don't see how the new spinner kit is going to fix anything long term. The thin wire spinner arms need to be beefed up . Just one wrong hit will bend the spinner- that might be in 10 plays or 1000. Right now, after early trouble, mine is working perfectly and has been doing so a few hundred plays now.

A good EM frenzy can put you way up there. I have mine set on 4 balls. I know that's heresy for some but I'm 68 years old and my skills aren't getting any better. If you're younger and going for wizard keep the 3 ball game until you get better. As for me it's 4 balls until I go blind and piss myself. I can hardly wait.

This is a great game that would look even better with a Pink Floyd Dark Side beside it. We can only hope.

I think to experience LZ in the arcade atmosphere is like going to a concert where the amps don't work. You need the music cranked up and a sub at least but Pinwoofer is better. This is the first pin I turn on in the morning and last one I play.

If a game is 10 years old and in the top Pinside 10 then you should pay attention. Otherwise the top 100 is pretty worthless. If you like LZ then you should buy it as it's a great game, especially in the home environment with the audio cranked up. I think it's rightful place should be in the top 20 games but there are Ford vs Chevy people out there that rank the competition a 2 which unfairly brings the average down.

Vibration from the flipper is probably setting off a too sensitive switch. Which switch it is will probably show up in the switch test.

The design had to be changed from EHOH as hitting the glass caused the gargoyles to break off. Too bad as it is satisfying somehow

I haven't had this problem but when I checked mine the rubber was askew, from the factory probably. I'd check that, make sure the switch is depressing easily in the hole, make sure the metal stop back of the hole is perpendicular and not tilted.

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Anybody else having a problem making a back handed shot to the right ramp you might try this from Marco. Replace the longer one like it on the ramp support. You'll need to keep one washer under there or an under ramp ball won't clear. I just made 11 shots in a row, smooth as butter.

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I just installed Mezel's drop target lights someone else recommended (thanks!). A good mod, about $50 delivered.
Pics include down position. Lights that area nicely.

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