Quoted from Haymaker:

Make no mistake, I don't think

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

We saw it in Deep Root...there's always going to be some "IT'S NOT OVER MAN!!!" die hards who can't accept reality until it punches them in the face. They'll accept it when they have absolutely no choice otherwise.

Quoted from Pinhead_:

Peddling saccharine optimism in this thread borderlines on ignorant at this point.
Your fervent passion for Haggis as they perpetually circle the drain is weird.

Quoted from iceman44:

Does Dutch Pinball count?

Quoted from Grantman:

You don't think anyone ordered a Centaur?

I think we've been through this before, but here is an easy minimum estimate.
5 Pinsiders have a Beast edition in their "collection" (even though zero have shipped):
https://pinside.com/pinball/machine/haggis-centaur-revisited-beast-edition
4 Pinsiders have an Orblivion edition in their "collection" (even though zero have shipped):
https://pinside.com/pinball/machine/haggis-centaur-revisited-oblivion-edition

Beast is $2k deposit, Orb is $3k deposit, so that is 5x2k + 4x3k = $22,000 minimum in deposits.
That's on the low side, obviously, and at least one person here already paid in full for a Centaur.

Quoted from PinStalker:

I wonder what the actual cost was to make a machine for Haggis...... I mean you'd think for each machine they ship: they make X amount of dollars and get themselves out of the hole a little (even if that means shipping to people who haven't paid in full first vs. the ones who already have).
Unless they were stiffing suppliers and simply couldn't make machines anymore?
Completely wrong way to try and solve their cash flow issues with more orders: all they needed to do was make machines and everything would have turned out ok. How does a manufacturer lose sight of this simple fact? Releasing another game just compounds the core problem.
Maybe Damien only likes the design & dream portion, and not the actual work of building stuff. Should have outsourced to Fix = only thing he understands is building stuff, he just doesn't build stuff people want to buy.

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

That's a tough one. I mean they pulled it off. They still ended up screwing folks I'm sure. I know a guy who literally DIED before he got his game, I doubt that money was ever refunded.
But I think we all know how this Haggis thing is gonna end and it ain't pretty!

Quoted from lachied:

If they dont survive I should be able to help people with replacement parts. Especially the custom LED boards. The mechs are a little harder, unless someone has access to a bending machine.
But least not all hope is lost in the future for those that have actually received machines.

Quoted from Ballypinball:

if you have the cad files that will be easy.

Quoted from John_I:

Hopefully whoever buys the residue at auction knows what they are getting in that case.

Quoted from lachied:

If they dont survive I should be able to help people with replacement parts. Especially the custom LED boards. The mechs are a little harder, unless someone has access to a bending machine.
But least not all hope is lost in the future for those that have actually received machines.

Quoted from oldskool1969:

has HAGGIS closed and shut up shop?
please advise of this info.
hope not

Quoted from PinStalker:

I wonder what the actual cost was to make a machine for Haggis...... I mean you'd think for each machine they ship: they make X amount of dollars and get themselves out of the hole a little (even if that means shipping to people who haven't paid in full first vs. the ones who already have).
Unless they were stiffing suppliers and simply couldn't make machines anymore?
Completely wrong way to try and solve their cash flow issues with more orders: all they needed to do was make machines and everything would have turned out ok. How does a manufacturer lose sight of this simple fact? Releasing another game just compounds the core problem.
Maybe Damien only likes the design & dream portion, and not the actual work of building stuff. Should have outsourced to Fix = only thing he understands is building stuff, he just doesn't build stuff people want to buy.

Quoted from Gotfrogs:

There is probably not enough margin and volume (making/shipping too slow) to cover their fixed costs like rent, utilities, salaries, etc. Selling a game for more than the cost of goods does not equate to a company being profitable.

Quoted from John_I:

No. The discussion was of parts availability "if Haggis shuts down".

Quoted from oldskool1969:

wow, i'm lost for words
then again i do like positive in a negative world.
go haggis

Quoted from RCB49:

I've been waiting 2 years and got this message from Haggis earlier this week...it speaks for itself...
"We are still working hard on our internal restructure process to ensure that we can better deliver on our estimated timeframes and decrease the delays we have faced in getting games in boxes.
At this stage, I don't have an estimated completion date for your game, but we are still 100% committed to getting all games completed as quickly as we possibly can.
I'm sorry that isn't better news and doesn't include a definitive ETA at this stage. We still have a lot of moving parts to bed down just now and I want to make sure I can give a realistic and achievable boxing date before sharing.
Thank you again for your ongoing patience and support, and we will be back in touch as soon as we possibly can with more news on your game."

Quoted from Roostking:

You are rich af, clearly and have no clue how the average 1%r pinball nerd lives.

Quoted from jkashani:

In other ways it may be the only way that people who have already paid for games obtain them.

Quoted from CrazyLevi:

Yeah that’s kind of how ponzis work.

Quoted from oldskool1969:

Nope, but I am rich in where it really matters.

Quoted from jgentry:

Probably shouldn't have wasted tons on custom cabinets with haggis engravings on the back that no one can see, giant acrylic posters and other random junk. When I got my game my first thought was how much profits are they wasting on crap that doesn't matter.

Quoted from gold1:

So you got your machine and that was the first thought?Really?They stack it high in the states.

Quoted from oldskool1969:

good grief, some people.
yeah, you are 100% correct

Quoted from jgentry:

Keep defending the company that has screwed a lot of people out of deposits and several out of full game payments. It's a great look....

Quoted from bane:

I seriously cannot believe there are still folks here going to bat for Haggis.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
I hope every creditor who is owed money or a pinball machine from Haggis has hired an attorney.
Unlikely to get anything, I know. I just think it is worth it to call Haggis to account.

Quoted from bane:

Gosh, was I thrown out of the thread? Don’t think so. Try again.

Quoted from oldskool1969:Here we are in 2024 and I still thought Aussies and Yanks spoke the Kings English?
Until the time that Haggis say they are finished! I am 100% am sure they are trying their utmost to
Give people the pleasure of their games.
If I’m wrong, so be it, but the diatribe on these threads are over the top.
Some of you are getting personal and need to relax, attacks are a sign of weakness
Have a tip top weekend from the best country in the world Australia

Quoted from jgentry:

My first thoughts were that it's a beautiful build with tons of excessive expensive extras that add nothing to the game or the experience. I even messaged a friend about it and we were both at a loss at all the wasted money. Turns out our concerns were correct. Haggis was wasting the deposit money on dumb crap instead of making everyone's games.

Quoted from bane:

I seriously cannot believe there are still folks here going to bat for Haggis.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
I hope every creditor who is owed money or a pinball machine from Haggis has hired an attorney.
Unlikely to get anything, I know. I just think it is worth it to call Haggis to account.

Quoted from oldskool1969:

You obviously don’t read this thread. They’re still open and building machines .
Late, hell yes.
Screwed people ? I don’t think so , just very very delayed.
But you know better I guess

Quoted from gold1:

and why did you buy it? as I said it is stacked pretty high in the states.

Quoted from jgentry:

You are truly clueless. Haggis contacted me literally 1 week before the "we need to recapitalize" asking for full payment for centaur because mine was about to be built. This was obviously a straight lie and they were hoping people would send in payments that would allow them to build another backlogged fathom. They long since knew the centaurs were not happening. This makes Daemon at best a liar, and at worst a liar and a complete theif.

Because I love 1980 Bally games. If I had to do things over again I would have just found a restored original. Things must be getting really rough down under. It's pathetic to see so many Australians defending this liar.

Quoted from jgentry:

You are truly clueless. Haggis contacted me literally 1 week before the "we need to recapitalize" asking for full payment for centaur because mine was about to be built. This was obviously a straight lie and they were hoping people would send in payments that would allow them to build another backlogged fathom. They long since knew the centaurs were not happening. This makes Daemon at best a liar, and at worst a liar and a complete theif.

Because I love 1980 Bally games. If I had to do things over again I would have just found a restored original. Things must be getting really rough down under. It's pathetic to see so many Australians defending this liar.

Quoted from jgentry:

Probably shouldn't have wasted tons on custom cabinets with haggis engravings on the back that no one can see, giant acrylic posters and other random junk. When I got my game my first thought was how much profits are they wasting on crap that doesn't matter.

Quoted from oldskool1969:

I haven’t seen the email or heard anything of the sort until now. I hope not as it is not cool.
Would love to see a copy or have you posted it already?
You say you have your machine ( fathom ?)
So your beef is now Centaur build or what Ami missing? Is it because they asked for money?

Quoted from oldskool1969:

Do you like your game?
Are you looking forward to Centaur?
Why did you buy initially?
Us pinball folks are strange!

Quoted from oldskool1969:

I haven’t seen the email or heard anything of the sort until now. I hope not as it is not cool.
Would love to see a copy or have you posted it already?
You say you have your machine ( fathom ?)
So your beef is now Centaur build or what Ami missing? Is it because they asked for money?