Checking in! I’ve had a Monte Carlo since this past summer. Great game. Not sure if it’s a keeper yet, but I like it a lot. I’ll probably have to disable the 10 million switch for tournaments, but No big deal.

3 balls main playfield.

Smaller pinball for the roulette

The screws in the roulette window are all machine with t nuts on the other end.

Took mine to patz a few years ago and sold it now I'm sad all over again
But my brother in law has one so there's still one in the family

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make sure your 5 volt supply is solid ...my sound would quit and score would blank out usually during multi-ball , thought it was a daughter board problem and damn near wiped out the mpu board trying to fix it .....turned out it was the 5 volt supply so I would definitely suggest reflowing all the solder joints on the supply , cleaning and replacing the heat sink compound on the transistor and cleaning the adjustment pot with contact cleaner ...also on every system 80B system I have .....I have had to replace the 470uf and the 10uf caps on the display board

I'm in the club!! what are the changes for the 708/2 roms? anyone know besides free play, which is awesome. This may not be a super fast game but it is a great challenging shooters game. if you want to slow down and hone in on your shooting skills, this is a great game for it.

Is the 10 million point shot fixed in any of them? Haha. My only beef with the game.

It’s worth 10 million points. Way too much for what the rest of the game gives away in terms of points. It should only be worth 1 million points.

I think you should leave it on for tournaments. Luck does come into play with pinball. it is excessive but if you play the game right that is kind of like a jackpot right?

That's the beauty of a Gottlieb quirky shit

Right. It’s just too valuable. Would it be fair if the jackpot on funhouse was 30 million instead of three million? Yeah, everyone has the same
Opportunity to get it, but it makes the entire game about one shot.

Also the 40 switch count carries player to player which is lame.

Quirky is good. Dumb is not. Haha. Look at genesis. 99x multiplier Mac is possible. But it works.

Having one shot give you 10 million points when that score is literally impossible without making that shot is too unbalanced.

Hey @robotworkshop, what do you want a topper for?

Wasn’t aware the switch count carries over. It’s a pretty quick timer on that shot though. Been playing it for over a year and have only hit it a couple times. Granted I’m a mediocre player so may be an advantage to better players.

My best is three in one game. Just shatz the inlanes back and forth and hit the ramp when lit.

i love the 10 million shot, my switches are closing often and at random for whatever reason so the 10 million light comes at shorter intervals, lol

That looks good. Please post pics after it’s in

FYI, I can do these in green as a special order only right now. I do not get this material in often, so I ran them all in clear initially. I do not want to get stuck with a pile of green ones until I know the demand. I have had blue Tx Sector ramps that nobody actually wanted in my stock for close to a year now, haha.

That's understandable. how much does the green one run?

Hello guys!
Good news: it's coming soon

I am currently working on reverse engineering for the 80Bs and someone asked me if it would not be possible to reduce the score from 10,000,000 to a lower value. And apparently, this is a recurring request from owners of Monte Carlo.

After some testing, I can answer YES (it already works - I don't have the pinball machine, but I am experimenting with VpinMame). I will therefore prepare a new version (in fact three, for English, French and German) which will also include Freeplay.

When it's ready, the binaries will be available for free download from our site. I can already warn you that it will be necessary to reprogram the two EPROMs (2764 + 2716), because this time the modification will impact both chips (unlike Freeplay which only modifies the 2764).

But, I have a question to the community: What value do you want to replace the 10,000,000 ?
- 1,000,000 --> This one is my first intention
- 2,000,000
- or another value ?

1,000,000 look good, but as I don't have too much experience with this game, may be this is not enough ? Quite all values are possible (internally, the pinball make a loop of scoring 100 x 100,000 points). We must keep the 100x loop, but the granularity can be 10,000 - 15,000 - 20,000 - no problem for me to encode that.

Tell me what is your prefered replacement value, and be prepared to redraw the 10,000,000 sign

1,000,000 is perfect imo. Basically getting 2-3 million outside of hitting the ramp is an incredible score.

I would say make the ramp 1,000,000 max.

I agree it would be better to change it to 1 million also I have an eprom burner and both types of chips if you need a beta tester

And I honestly wouldn’t change anything else about the game. It’s pretty well balanced with good rules outside of that one shot. Pretty great job by Gottlieb on this one.

I could agree on that. And agree on a good score of 2-3 mill without the ramp

Any way to assign a dip switch to that score, so you could actually have two options?

That would be the best of both worlds!

It's a good idea and for me it's technically doable. There is some room available in the EPROM to encode this and I know the memory addresses of the DIPs.

Usually, unused DIPs can be used for this, like DIP6, 7, 8 or DIP 31, 32 which are generally used for LIBERAL / CONSERVATIVE modes and to adjust the difficulty of the game. But on the Monte Carlo, all the DIPs are already in use and I don't really see which one we could use to activate / deactivate this option.

Just pick one that is a completely useless setting and replace it?

You could reprogram the credit selection dips. Free play anyways.

No, I don't want to make a change that's too invasive and try to keep as much of the original configuration as possible. This is also what is already done for Freeplay which uses an unused coin mechanism configuration.

But I think I found: the DIP-8
This one is already used for the 10,000,000 points and is used to configure its LIBERAL or CONSERVATIVE mode.

When the DIP-8 is ON, we are in LIBERAL (easy) mode and the ramp lamp is activated (flashes) regularly every 40 switch closures.
When it is OFF, it is in CONSERVATIVE (difficult) mode and the ramp lamp is activated (flashes) more randomly.

We can therefore keep the count of 10,000,000 points when we are in LIBERAL mode, and reduce to 1,000,000 points when we are in CONSERVATIVE mode. It is coherent and ultimately very logical.

That is perfect.

The three versions 708, 708/1 and 708/2 are available, with freeplay modification, at our website: https://www.flipprojets.fr
Two additionnal export versions also exist: 708X for French and 708Y for German.

To my knowledge, I have never seen any mention (except for the James Bond "timed" SYS-80) of the fixes made in the ROMs. In any case, that did not appear in the Gottlieb technical bulletins.

For the Monte Carlo, I made an intensive investigation in the game ROMs:
- The initial version is the 708.
- A first fix was made with the 708/1, which also served as the basis for the 708X and 708Y.
- A second fix has been made with the 708/2, but it seems that it has not been done on the export versions X and Y.

It is therefore advisable to use version 708/2, and useful to know that a small bug still remain in versions 708X and 708Y.

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At first glance when we look at the contents of the memories, there are enormous binary differences. But in fact, no.
PROM1 contains a lot of function and table calls to PROM2. After intensive analysis, it appears that finally, all the PROM1 708, 701/1 and 708/2 are structurally identical. The difference is that in the PROM2, modifications were made at the very beginning, which leads to changes of addresses everywhere!

Apart from addressing, the PROM1s have not undergone any modification between versions 708, 708/1 and 708/2.

► From what I understand, patch 708/1 is in the "endgame" section. We can see it easily, because there is the end-of-game sound (0A sound). There is also a fix in a call right after, but I think it's related.

I don't know exactly what the correction is, but it's probably something that was forgotten at the end of the game. For example, a bad count of bonuses, or a reset of the target banks that does not take place, or even a ball remaining stuck in the holes. In any case, it is certainly remarkable at the end of the game.

► Patch 708/2 is much lighter. A table entry has been deleted (but I'm not sure it serves) and a variable reset has been added. Still in the "end of game" section.

Maybe a reset of a forgotten multiplier, or something like that. But which should not be noticed too much, perhaps only in certain rarer conditions (multiballs).

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And for those who would like to check, I did a side-by-side comparison of the three versions:

Side by side comparison PROM2 - 708 - 708/1 - 708/2

◈ For the modification of the "million", I will do it only from the 708/2 and the 708X, 708Y. This is unnecessary for the 708 and 708/1 which are older versions.

Hi everyone. I'm the person that first contacted noflip95 asking if he could reduce the scoring for the 10 Million point shot.

I agree that having DIP 8 control liberal/conservative for both the scoring and how often the shot lights up makes sense, but I think that having a 1 Million point shot light up every 40 switch hits would be a fun scoring mode.

I play with it set to conservative now, because when set the liberal the whole game becomes about getting 40 switch hits and then getting 10 Million points, and all the other scoring stops mattering. Playing on the conservative "random" setting though, the ramp very rarely lights up. I have a lot of balls where it doesn't light up at all.

I think that having a 1 Million shot light up every 40 hits might keep that shot important without making the entire game focus on it.

Whatever you decide to do noflip95, thanks for improving this game with your custom ROMs.

I agree, that sounds like an awesome idea!

Finally, you are right, the 10,000,000 are of no use except to "kill" the game. Keeping this value does not make sense, and at worst, whoever wanted to could always put the normal EPROMs back in place.

The DIP-8 has also finally, no relation with the difficulty (LIBERAL / CONSERVATIVE) since this one is regulated by other DIPs, and the DIP-8 is in the end, totally independent of the remaining.

In this case, we can simply define the DIP-8 as being a "MILLION MODE", and configure it as follows:
- ON : light the flashing every 40 switch closures and earn 1.000.000 points
- OFF : light the flashing randomly and earn 2.000.000 points

This way, we can define the behavior: Either it appears regular and frequently, and gives a million. Either it acts more randomly and rarely, but in this case it gives you double.

haha, in the high scores if its past 10 million you know someone hit the 10 mill shot, otherwise the scoes are around 3 million. I love the game, need to shop mine out and get it looking better.

It’s fun to see how many you can get in one game though and it’s easy to tell from the high scores. I haven’t gotten 3 yet, but I’ve gotten 2 multiple times.